Second Hydrolock

[Raptor05121]

My truck has about 415,000 miles, about 300,000 miles on the new engine (2003) after the factory hydrolock took it.

I went outside and turned it over and it went half a cycle and stopped. I checked the voltage on the battery, its 12.8v idle, so I know its not dead. The truck refuses to turn over and I think its got water leaking into the cylinders. I'm going to try to pull the plugs out this afternoon and see if I can confirm my worst fears

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I tore it down to the lower intake manifold. Turns out my Bank 2 IMRCs arent connected for some reason. I'm not sure if its a vac line or what at this point, but they're just flopping around in there. I hope thats the cause of the mystery rattle and CEL!

I need to run to VatoZone tomorrow and get the fuel rail disconnects and then the lower intake manifold is coming out.

I took off one of the valve covers to see how well this 300,000 mile engine is doing with oil. It is C-L-E-A-N!! No sludge or anything! I'm happy about that.

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Also found my 2-year old 2-row radiator is leaking...so that has to get replaced as well. This sucks because I was hoping to get my tires on this weekend, looks like I'm set back another 2 weeks since I have to drop ~$200 on the engine. The injectors are covered in gumminess. Is it safe to put injectors in an ultrasonic cleaner bath? Hopefully this eliminates some issues and makes it run better!

Does anyone know the Ford Part Number to the lower intake manifold gasket? There is a whole slew on RockAuto and I'm not sure which to use

[Ford Fan#1]

My truck has about 415,000 miles, about 300,000 miles on the new engine (2003) after the factory hydrolock took it. I went outside and turned it over and it went half a cycle and stopped. I checked the voltage on the battery, its 12.8v idle, so I know its not dead. The truck refuses to turn over and I think its got water leaking into the cylinders. I'm going to try to pull the plugs out this afternoon and see if I can confirm my worst fears --------------------------------------------- I tore it down to the lower intake manifold. Turns out my Bank 2 IMRCs arent connected for some reason. I'm not sure if its a vac line or what at this point, but they're just flopping around in there. I hope thats the cause of the mystery rattle and CEL! I need to run to VatoZone tomorrow and get the fuel rail disconnects and then the lower intake manifold is coming out. I took off one of the valve covers to see how well this 300,000 mile engine is doing with oil. It is C-L-E-A-N!! No sludge or anything! I'm happy about that. Also found my 2-year old 2-row radiator is leaking...so that has to get replaced as well. This sucks because I was hoping to get my tires on this weekend, looks like I'm set back another 2 weeks since I have to drop ~$200 on the engine. The injectors are covered in gumminess. Is it safe to put injectors in an ultrasonic cleaner bath? Hopefully this eliminates some issues and makes it run better! Does anyone know the Ford Part Number to the lower intake manifold gasket? There is a whole slew on RockAuto and I'm not sure which to use1- did you get it fixed? And 2- why do you call it vatozone? Lmao it sounds Mexican

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[Raptor05121]

VatoZone- It is where the Mexicans go to get their chrome and performance parts for their 87 Civic.

I went to O'Reillys and got a new 2-core radiator (still gotta drill it for my efans), new lower intake gasket, 3 gallons of coolant, fuel filter, and fuel disconnect tool. I continued where I left off last night- this morning I pulled the radiator and efans, got the fuel rail off, injectors and lower manifold off. Its sitting in a vat of degreaser and I'm taking my lunch break. Up next I have to clean the engine out, replace the gasket and reassemble. I hope I can have it on the road before work tomorrow.

I think this is the culprit for my hydrolock:

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[RhinoZ24]

[QUOTE=Raptor05121;69044]VatoZone- It is where the Mexicans go to get their chrome and performance parts for their 87 Civic. [Quote=]

Lmfao its true, especially here. It's also where they all work haha. And damn, thats a lot to get done in 2 days. Good luck Alex!

[alfie]

I do not get my performance parts from there nor do I drive a civic.


Or else I would!!!

[Ford Fan#1]

VatoZone- It is where the Mexicans go to get their chrome and performance parts for their 87 Civic. I went to O'Reillys and got a new 2-core radiator (still gotta drill it for my efans), new lower intake gasket, 3 gallons of coolant, fuel filter, and fuel disconnect tool. I continued where I left off last night- this morning I pulled the radiator and efans, got the fuel rail off, injectors and lower manifold off. Its sitting in a vat of degreaser and I'm taking my lunch break. Up next I have to clean the engine out, replace the gasket and reassemble. I hope I can have it on the road before work tomorrow. I think this is the culprit for my hydrolock: lmfao sounds about right good luck on the truck

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[RhinoZ24]

I do not get my performance parts from there nor do I drive a civic.

Or else I would!!!

I hope you don't drive a Civic, and sorry for saying that but seriously everytime I go there or any parts store around me I'm literally the only non-Mexican/South American there lol.

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows

[Raptor05121]

Well I got it all back together. Enabled the fuel pump and turned it over and it started firing. I double checked my work and noticed gas on the intake...one of the injectors wasn't fully seated. So tomorrow after work I have to take the intake off and then the fuel rail and re-set the #6 injector. Grrrr.

[RhinoZ24]

Well at least you fixed the hydrolock and it works once again.

[Raptor05121]

Well I got it put back together. Managed to get it running for a few minutes. I shut it off and cannot get it started again. It turns over a couple times and just stops

[Ford Fan#1]

Well I got it put back together. Managed to get it running for a few minutes. I shut it off and cannot get it started again. It turns over a couple times and just stopsuh oh.. I think it might be done.. Hopefully not

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[Raptor05121]

Good news and bad news. Took it out for a drive. Runs like ****. Like a misfire/vac leak. I took it two miles down the road and I looked down and noticed my drivers side rear cat was glowing red. I have codes P0232 and P1151.

Buddy of mine says vac leak on drivers side. I guess I'll search in the morning

[RhinoZ24]

Good news and bad news. Took it out for a drive. Runs like ****. Like a misfire/vac leak. I took it two miles down the road and I looked down and noticed my drivers side rear cat was glowing red. I have codes P0232 and P1151.

Buddy of mine says vac leak on drivers side. I guess I'll search in the morning

Well that sucks, but at least this is happening all at once instead of spread out to where it becomes a normal thing for ish to break.

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows

[Jersey_Joe]

Good news and bad news. Took it out for a drive. Runs like ****. Like a misfire/vac leak. I took it two miles down the road and I looked down and noticed my drivers side rear cat was glowing red. I have codes P0232 and P1151. Buddy of mine says vac leak on drivers side. I guess I'll search in the morning
Good luck bud

[Raptor05121]

I can't figure this out. I'm stumped.

[5pointSlo]

The fact that the drivers can is glowing red indicates a severe misfire.. The cat is most likely filling with raw fuel and over heating. A vacuum leak to Mr just don't make sense. That would indicate a lean condition which wouldn't cause this. How old are the cats? Perhaps you have an exhaust restriction on that bank. Try removing the cats and drive it a couple miles. See if it runs better

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On second thought.... Have you checked the fuel pressure regulator? Excessive fuel pressure could cause it... Or egr valve failure... That fact that its running like crap kina takes out the electrical side to me...

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Sorry for multiple posts... I'm reading the history of this post.... Could possibly be the ecm...

[Ford Fan#1]

The fact that the drivers can is glowing red indicates a severe misfire.. The cat is most likely filling with raw fuel and over heating. A vacuum leak to Mr just don't make sense. That would indicate a lean condition which wouldn't cause this. How old are the cats? Perhaps you have an exhaust restriction on that bank. Try removing the cats and drive it a couple miles. See if it runs better ---------- On second thought.... Have you checked the fuel pressure regulator? Excessive fuel pressure could cause it... Or egr valve failure... That fact that its running like crap kina takes out the electrical side to me... ---------- Sorry for multiple posts... I'm reading the history of this post.... Could possibly be the ecm...... What are you a mad scientist? Lmao Joe! That could be what we call him! I thought the professor knew the most about motors on here but it seems you know just as much if not more ( no offense Alex! You still are the smartest person I've seen )

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[Jersey_Joe]

I think we r all blessed to have both of them. Everybody asks for help once in awhile. I'm glad someone has the knowledge to help

As for the mad scientist. It's very fitting

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I wouldn't mind having either one of them over my should on a few dyno runs that's fer sure!

[alfie]

Cat glowing ? Sounds like a bad cat. U can check engine vacuum at high idle if vacuum is low suspect exhaust restriction. Usually when i see a glowing cat it's done

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The p0232 would be an open in the secondary fuel circuit. Check power to and out of the IFS. And down at the pump if you do have power out of the IFS.

[Raptor05121]

I disconnected the pump reset switch by the pax kickboard to test the fuel rail, so the P0232 could be from me manually disconnecting it. The cats are 2 year old Magnaflow models. I tried running it last night, it does not want to start. It will turn over several times and STOP like its hydrolocked. Could be from fuel. But I did manage to get it running and when it stalled, I still heard the mulittude of "clicking" noises, which I want to say were the injectors opening after the engine was off. The mis-labeled FPR would explain the vac leak, excess fuel, and glowing cat.

Now that I think of it, the fuel pressure regulator, I did not label the vac line going to it, so I could have accidentally swapped it. Does anyone have a picture of what color vac line goes to the FPR on a 4.2L?

[5pointSlo]

Does the line you put to it have vacuum? It shouldn't be dumping fuel unless there is zero vaccum applied (wot) or the diaphragm is broken (it would have fuel coming out of it by unplugging the vacuum line). The injectors continuing to fire after the engine isn't running is making me think it may be the computer. Crank it till it stops, the pull the plugs out and see if you are actually hydro locking. Does the oil have fuel in it?

[Raptor05121]

So here are some symptoms:

Truck turns over several compressions and stops, wont start. Feels like excessive compression in cylinders
Pulled the spark plugs, all covered in fuel
Turned over the engine with no plugs and the driver side spat out big splotch of fuel, pax side spit out just a little mist
Cat was glowing red hot on my test drive the other day, synonymous with fuel in the cat
Exhaust was popping, synonymous with fuel burning in the exhaust
Error codes P0232 and P1151. I have cleared them but they have not returned.

This could have been the problem from the getgo. I assumed there was water in the cylinders. It could have been the day I went to go drive my truck, there was excess fuel and not water, so I am possibly back to square one.

[Raptor05121]

I FIXED IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Or rather, my dad fixed it. He kept saying the timing was off...well....when I put the spark plug wires on the plugs, I went 123-456. Turns out the coil pack is 123-645. I swapped the plugs and she runs BEAUTIFULLY!

[cooperf150-06]

I FIXED IT!!!!!!!!!!! Or rather, my dad fixed it. He kept saying the timing was off...well....when I put the spark plug wires on the plugs, I went 123-456. Turns out the coil pack is 123-645. I swapped the plugs and she runs BEAUTIFULLY!

Haha that's great glad she's going again

[Ford Fan#1]

I FIXED IT!!!!!!!!!!! Or rather, my dad fixed it. He kept saying the timing was off...well....when I put the spark plug wires on the plugs, I went 123-456. Turns out the coil pack is 123-645. I swapped the plugs and she runs BEAUTIFULLY!great news! Glad you didn't have to get a new motor

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[Jersey_Joe]

Fantastic

[RhinoZ24]

I FIXED IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Or rather, my dad fixed it. He kept saying the timing was off...well....when I put the spark plug wires on the plugs, I went 123-456. Turns out the coil pack is 123-645. I swapped the plugs and she runs BEAUTIFULLY!

Haha nice, glad to hear its running right now.

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows

[5pointSlo]

I guess we should have resorted to the K I S S method on this one lol

[Ford Fan#1]

I guess we should have resorted to the K I S S method on this one lolkiss?

[RhinoZ24]

kiss?

Keep It Simple Stupid lol

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows

[Ford Fan#1]

Keep It Simple Stupid lol Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallowsoh, lmao

[Raptor05121]

Truck is seeping coolant again.

Pulled all spark plugs and coolant poured out of cylinder #4 (drivers front). I emptied them, took it around the block and did a compression check. Cylinder #4 was 160. I then hooked up to cylinder #5 and it cranked up to 80...120....160....180...210 then I heard a POP! and the engine actually tried to start! With NO sparkplugs in it and fuel pump disabled! WTH?? Turned it over again and now cylunder 5 is measuring nothing. 0 psi. Put spark plugs back in neighbors #4 and #6 to see if it is leaking into those and it isnt.

[Ford Fan#1]

Truck is seeping coolant again. Pulled all spark plugs and coolant poured out of cylinder #4 (drivers front). I emptied them, took it around the block and did a compression check. Cylinder #4 was 160. I then hooked up to cylinder #5 and it cranked up to 80...120....160....180...210 then I heard a POP! and the engine actually tried to start! With NO sparkplugs in it and fuel pump disabled! WTH?? Turned it over again and now cylunder 5 is measuring nothing. 0 psi. Put spark plugs back in neighbors #4 and #6 to see if it is leaking into those and it isnt. ugh oh.. If you can't fix it I would drop a 5.0 in it! :) but that does suck.. But it tried to start?!? Woo it fuel or plugs? That's weird!

[Jersey_Joe]

Oh no. Best of luck

[cooperf150-06]

Yeah good luck, hope it works out for u

[RhinoZ24]

Damn that sucks Alex. But you're the professor and I'm sure if anyone can fix it, it would be you. Good luck!

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows, Toyota's the Turd, Nissan and Honda are the leftovers.

[Raptor05121]

Well a compression test is done on a warm engine...I drained the coolant and drove it around the block. But since that noise....who knows what happened. Disassembly tomorrow.

[Jersey_Joe]

Any news?

[Raptor05121]

I'm really not looking forward to disassembly, so I'm taking my time. Took the upper off today, and will do the lower tomorrow, and hopefully the head after that.

[Jersey_Joe]

Brother. I wish I lived closer so I could help

[5pointSlo]

Sounds like a case of beer and some elbow grease. O and pizza. Gotta have the brain food.

[Jersey_Joe]

Can't forget the pizza

[Ford Fan#1]

Can't forget the pizza or beer haha

[RhinoZ24]

or beer haha

Or the elbow grease...

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows

[Raptor05121]

Got the fuel rail and lower off (for the 5th time). Exhaust manifold came off without a fuss (after the bolts being heating repeatedly for 17 years, you would think they would be rusted on). Rocker arms and pushrods are out. Only 4 bolts left and the head comes off. I pulled and pulled and they just wouldn't break loose, so I called it a day. Tomorrow the fun begins

[Ford Fan#1]

Got the fuel rail and lower off (for the 5th time). Exhaust manifold came off without a fuss (after the bolts being heating repeatedly for 17 years, you would think they would be rusted on). Rocker arms and pushrods are out. Only 4 bolts left and the head comes off. I pulled and pulled and they just wouldn't break loose, so I called it a day. Tomorrow the fun begins what are you doing tearing it down to the block?

[Raptor05121]

Replacing a blown head gasket. Or what I think is a blown head gasket.

[5pointSlo]

I would be taking a straight edge to the head.

[Ford Fan#1]

Replacing a blown head gasket. Or what I think is a blown head gasket. oh.. That sucks. Didn't you tear it apart like 2 weeks ago?

[Jersey_Joe]

I would be taking a straight edge to the head.
I concur. Did that with my 03. Outcome was not so good. Thus my motor swap. Best of luck brother

[RhinoZ24]

Replacing a blown head gasket. Or what I think is a blown head gasket.

That sucks a lot. Just helping a friend replace one on his 2.0L Inline 4 Neon sucked. That thing was easy access too.

[Raptor05121]

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Took it up to a guy that remans heads and he pointed out three distinct cracks inbetween the valves. :( $200 for a new one.

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New head was $170 with springs and valves in it, so it is on its way. Just gotta send the core back to them. Still need head gasket, head bolts, exhaust gasket, and lower intake gasket, as well as coolant, ANOTHER oil change (I just did one a week ago), and power steering fluid. Another $100 or so and I should be back on the road.

[Ford Fan#1]

Took it up to a guy that remans heads and he pointed out three distinct cracks inbetween the valves. :( $200 for a new one. ---------- New head was $170 with springs and valves in it, so it is on its way. Just gotta send the core back to them. Still need head gasket, head bolts, exhaust gasket, and lower intake gasket, as well as coolant, ANOTHER oil change (I just did one a week ago), and power steering fluid. Another $100 or so and I should be back on the road. that sucks. Atleast you didn't have to buy a new motor

[RhinoZ24]

Took it up to a guy that remans heads and he pointed out three distinct cracks inbetween the valves. :( $200 for a new one.

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New head was $170 with springs and valves in it, so it is on its way. Just gotta send the core back to them. Still need head gasket, head bolts, exhaust gasket, and lower intake gasket, as well as coolant, ANOTHER oil change (I just did one a week ago), and power steering fluid. Another $100 or so and I should be back on the road.

That sucks! But at least you figured it out so it won't happen again. And you should be up and running in no time.

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows

[Jersey_Joe]

On your way bud. Best of luck

[RexReid]

Congrats, it is all down hill once you figure out the problem. Hopefully it will go together smoothly.

[Raptor05121]

If anyone wants to come to florida and help, beer is on me!

[Jersey_Joe]

Tempting my brother. But I am on baby watch. Er I would

[Ford Fan#1]

If anyone wants to come to florida and help, beer is on me! I will!.. But on second thought I probably wouldn't be much help..

[RhinoZ24]

I will!.. But on second thought I probably wouldn't be much help..

Pay for my flight out there and I'll gladly take the time to get out of both work and school lol.

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows, Toyota's the Turd, Nissan and Honda are the leftovers.

[Jersey_Joe]

How u makin out professor?

[Jersey_Joe]

Bump

[Raptor05121]

Waiting on the head.

[Raptor05121]

wat

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[Jersey_Joe]

Mmmmmmm. Pretty

[Raptor05121]

POWAAAA!

Kinda wish I spent the money and did the other side just for peace of mind. I hope to have it running by this weekend.

[RhinoZ24]

Nice, all shiny and new!

[Raptor05121]

$110 in gaskets..head is on and torqued down. Florida bugs started attacking me en masse so thats as far as I got. Tomorrow, the new power steering pump goes on and reassembly begins.

[cooperf150-06]

$110 in gaskets..head is on and torqued down. Florida bugs started attacking me en masse so thats as far as I got. Tomorrow, the new power steering pump goes on and reassembly begins.

Keep us posted professor

[RexReid]

$110 in gaskets..head is on and torqued down. Florida bugs started attacking me en masse so thats as far as I got. Tomorrow, the new power steering pump goes on and reassembly begins.

May the force be with you.

[RhinoZ24]

$110 in gaskets..head is on and torqued down. Florida bugs started attacking me en masse so thats as far as I got. Tomorrow, the new power steering pump goes on and reassembly begins.

Nice, hopefully it's all done before the end of the weekend!

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows, Toyota's the Turd, Nissan and Honda are the leftovers.

[Raptor05121]

Pushrods and rockers are on, power steering pump assy is back on the block and serpentine belt is on. Just gotta find some exahust bolts (I lost some) and put the intake back on. someone one puweezeeeee come help :rolleyes:

[Jersey_Joe]

Almost there. Keep at it!

[RhinoZ24]

Pushrods and rockers are on, power steering pump assy is back on the block and serpentine belt is on. Just gotta find some exahust bolts (I lost some) and put the intake back on. someone one puweezeeeee come help :rolleyes:

Nice! You'll be on the road in no time.

Dodge Sucks, Chevy Swallows, Toyota's the Turd, Nissan and Honda are the leftovers.

[Raptor05121]

Head is on

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Almost there....

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And I'm done.

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I will never ever do this again. Biggest pain in the ass. But the truck runs fine. Oil change again tomorrow and coolant flush and I'm not opening that hood again for a LONG...LONG time.

[Jersey_Joe]

Hahaha. Congrats pal

[RhinoZ24]

Lmao, hopefully this never happens again. Congrats on a job well done Alex!

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